Comments on: What’s it Going to Take http://inspector911.com/whats-it-going-to-take/25 Resources, Checklists, and Training for inspectors with NFPA and the ICC codes Mon, 02 Apr 2012 22:31:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Ed Schrader http://inspector911.com/whats-it-going-to-take/25/comment-page-1#comment-21 Ed Schrader Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:40:49 +0000 http://inspector911.com/blog/2008/01/17/whats-it-going-to-take/#comment-21 If sprinklers are installed, who will assure they are maintained and "in-service"? Why don't we attack the problem of the fire in the first place with more fire prevention education? Only two things start fires - Mother Nature or "Acts of God" (like lightning strikes and high winds which bring down power lines), and people who get careless (with matches, lighters, candles, cigarettes, etc.) fail to maintain a system (electric utilities, sprinklers, etc.) or act in a malicious manner (arsonist/piro). If you can control or legislate those elements, now you can protect man from himself. Write law after law, code after code, but make sure they can be enforced 24/7!! If sprinklers are installed, who will assure they are maintained and “in-service”? Why don’t we attack the problem of the fire in the first place with more fire prevention education? Only two things start fires – Mother Nature or “Acts of God” (like lightning strikes and high winds which bring down power lines), and people who get careless (with matches, lighters, candles, cigarettes, etc.) fail to maintain a system (electric utilities, sprinklers, etc.) or act in a malicious manner (arsonist/piro).
If you can control or legislate those elements, now you can protect man from himself. Write law after law, code after code, but make sure they can be enforced 24/7!!

]]> By: York Fire Insurance Home Page http://inspector911.com/whats-it-going-to-take/25/comment-page-1#comment-20 York Fire Insurance Home Page Sun, 03 Feb 2008 18:02:53 +0000 http://inspector911.com/blog/2008/01/17/whats-it-going-to-take/#comment-20 Hi - just wanted to say good design and blog - cu Frank Hi – just wanted to say good design and blog – cu Frank

]]> By: Phil http://inspector911.com/whats-it-going-to-take/25/comment-page-1#comment-19 Phil Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:27:26 +0000 http://inspector911.com/blog/2008/01/17/whats-it-going-to-take/#comment-19 Finding your site was an accident thanks to google, but I like it Finding your site was an accident thanks to google, but I like it

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]]> By: Eric http://inspector911.com/whats-it-going-to-take/25/comment-page-1#comment-17 Eric Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:00:08 +0000 http://inspector911.com/blog/2008/01/17/whats-it-going-to-take/#comment-17 <strong>Eric...</strong> I love the blog. I added you to my digg account to bookmark it for later...... Eric…

I love the blog. I added you to my digg account to bookmark it for later……

]]> By: Arsnman4 http://inspector911.com/whats-it-going-to-take/25/comment-page-1#comment-16 Arsnman4 Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:22:57 +0000 http://inspector911.com/blog/2008/01/17/whats-it-going-to-take/#comment-16 Once again my friend from LV has nailed it. I would like to comment on a couple of points raised. The first being that these issues must be addressed through continued education of building officials, manufactures, city officials, fire service and most importantly, the public buying these structures. Successful education may be achieved through "Serving Notice" or as simple as creating greater dialogue with those parties concerning possible liability. We have all seen historic suits brought against manufactures, contractors and even inspection officials. No one is really "Immune" from prosecution in civil liability cases. Trust me, if there is a case, the jurisdiction will find a way to leave the inspector out in the cold.....that's politics! With regards to proving liability in firefighter deaths, survivor’s legal teams should use exemplar evidence when evidence is destroyed. In the event evidence of structural collapse via fire spread occurs, investigators should use examples of similar to exact design methods and materials during full scale or computer modeling testing to support their claims. Manufactures notice this.......that's for sure. The bottom line is that the fire service must get more involved in code development and not just be involved in the Equipment, Ensemble and Apparatus Standards but take an active approach and realize their risk potentials in the codes for buildings they enter. It's in the best interest of all of us stakeholders to be involved in protecting ourselves also from water downed code or unacceptable tradeoffs. With regards to residential sprinklers, I could not agree more but we, as the fire service must also address the needs for these devices in attic spaces too. Far too often fire enters the attic area relatively soon into the fire through small openings which increases the risk of collapse sooner in the firefight. Excellent article Ozzie and as always my friend, I look forward to reading more and hopefully we will see the day when the majority of fire service officials are speaking the same language and we become a stronger vehicle for necessary change. Once again my friend from LV has nailed it.

I would like to comment on a couple of points raised. The first being that these issues must be addressed through continued education of building officials, manufactures, city officials, fire service and most importantly, the public buying these structures. Successful education may be achieved through “Serving Notice” or as simple as creating greater dialogue with those parties concerning possible liability. We have all seen historic suits brought against manufactures, contractors and even inspection officials.

No one is really “Immune” from prosecution in civil liability cases. Trust me, if there is a case, the jurisdiction will find a way to leave the inspector out in the cold…..that’s politics!

With regards to proving liability in firefighter deaths, survivor’s legal teams should use exemplar evidence when evidence is destroyed. In the event evidence of structural collapse via fire spread occurs, investigators should use examples of similar to exact design methods and materials during full scale or computer modeling testing to support their claims. Manufactures notice this…….that’s for sure.

The bottom line is that the fire service must get more involved in code development and not just be involved in the Equipment, Ensemble and Apparatus Standards but take an active approach and realize their risk potentials in the codes for buildings they enter. It’s in the best interest of all of us stakeholders to be involved in protecting ourselves also from water downed code or unacceptable tradeoffs.

With regards to residential sprinklers, I could not agree more but we, as the fire service must also address the needs for these devices in attic spaces too. Far too often fire enters the attic area relatively soon into the fire through small openings which increases the risk of collapse sooner in the firefight.

Excellent article Ozzie and as always my friend, I look forward to reading more and hopefully we will see the day when the majority of fire service officials are speaking the same language and we become a stronger vehicle for necessary change.

]]> By: Arsnman4 http://inspector911.com/whats-it-going-to-take/25/comment-page-1#comment-15 Arsnman4 Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:20:24 +0000 http://inspector911.com/blog/2008/01/17/whats-it-going-to-take/#comment-15 Once again my friend from LV has nailed it. I would like to comment on a couple of points raised. The first being that these issues must be addressed through continued education of building officials, manufactures,city officials, fire service and most importantly, the public buying these structures. Successful education may be achieved through "Serving Notice" or as simple as creating greater dialoge with those parties concerning possible liability. We have all seen historic suits brought against manufactures, contractors and even inspection officials. No one is really "Immune" from prosecution in civil liability cases. Trust me, if there is a case, the jurisdiction will find a way to leave the inspector out in the cold.....that's politics! With regards to proving liability in firefighter deaths, survivors legal teams should use exemplar evidence when evidence is destroyed. In the event evidence of structural collapse via fire spread occurs, investigators should use examples of similar to exact design methods and materials during full scale or computer modeling testing to support their claims. Manufactures notice this.......that's for sure. The bottom line is that the fire service must get more involved in code development and not just be involved in the Equipment, Ensemble and Apparatus Standards but take an active approach and realize their risk potentials in the codes for buildings they enter. It's in the best interest of all of us stakeholders to be involved in protecting ourselves also from waterdowned code or unacceptable tradeoffs. With regards to residential sprinklers, I could not agree more but we as the fire service must also address the needs for these devices in attic spaces too. Far too often fire enters the attic area relitively soon into the fire through small openings which increases the risk of collapse sooner in the firefight. Excellent article Ozzie and as always my friend, I look forward to reading more and hopefully we will see the day when the majority of fire service officials are speaking the same language and we become a stronger vehicle for necessary change. Once again my friend from LV has nailed it.

I would like to comment on a couple of points raised. The first being that these issues must be addressed through continued education of building officials, manufactures,city officials, fire service and most importantly, the public buying these structures. Successful education may be achieved through “Serving Notice” or as simple as creating greater dialoge with those parties concerning possible liability. We have all seen historic suits brought against manufactures, contractors and even inspection officials.

No one is really “Immune” from prosecution in civil liability cases. Trust me, if there is a case, the jurisdiction will find a way to leave the inspector out in the cold…..that’s politics!

With regards to proving liability in firefighter deaths, survivors legal teams should use exemplar evidence when evidence is destroyed. In the event evidence of structural collapse via fire spread occurs, investigators should use examples of similar to exact design methods and materials during full scale or computer modeling testing to support their claims. Manufactures notice this…….that’s for sure.

The bottom line is that the fire service must get more involved in code development and not just be involved in the Equipment, Ensemble and Apparatus Standards but take an active approach and realize their risk potentials in the codes for buildings they enter. It’s in the best interest of all of us stakeholders to be involved in protecting ourselves also from waterdowned code or unacceptable tradeoffs.

With regards to residential sprinklers, I could not agree more but we as the fire service must also address the needs for these devices in attic spaces too. Far too often fire enters the attic area relitively soon into the fire through small openings which increases the risk of collapse sooner in the firefight.

Excellent article Ozzie and as always my friend, I look forward to reading more and hopefully we will see the day when the majority of fire service officials are speaking the same language and we become a stronger vehicle for necessary change.

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