Comments on: The Big Vote, RB 64 http://inspector911.com/the-big-vote-rb-64/139 Resources, Checklists, and Training for inspectors with NFPA and the ICC codes Tue, 24 Aug 2010 17:38:08 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Mark http://inspector911.com/the-big-vote-rb-64/139/comment-page-1#comment-65 Mark Sun, 28 Sep 2008 03:35:41 +0000 http://inspector911.com/?p=139#comment-65 Other than Mr. Diamond drinking the kool-aid of the home builders there are a few comments that I have. AND YES I WAS IN AND DID VOTE IN MINNESOTA. I think the fire service did a great thing however we missed the boat on mutiple issues that came up that we never heard about or did not sit for. There needs to be an effort to make the hearing more affordable or access to the hearings and voting via the internet. Votes were missed on egress, lightweight construction, and even radio repeaters in existing buildings. We as inspectors need to pay attention at all times of what codes need to be changed and what codes are being changed to benefit and increase safety NOT how financially a code change will pad a developers pocketbook. My hope is that the sprinkler industry will NOT price gouge the home owner or developer of single family residents when installing sprinklers. In closing I will say this I pitty Mr. Diamonds narrow thinking. I hope his family never experience a fire in a home that had sprinklers that were turned off. I do also believe that this is a criminal act. That is my opinion but I could be wrong. Other than Mr. Diamond drinking the kool-aid of the home builders there are a few comments that I have. AND YES I WAS IN AND DID VOTE IN MINNESOTA. I think the fire service did a great thing however we missed the boat on mutiple issues that came up that we never heard about or did not sit for. There needs to be an effort to make the hearing more affordable or access to the hearings and voting via the internet. Votes were missed on egress, lightweight construction, and even radio repeaters in existing buildings. We as inspectors need to pay attention at all times of what codes need to be changed and what codes are being changed to benefit and increase safety NOT how financially a code change will pad a developers pocketbook. My hope is that the sprinkler industry will NOT price gouge the home owner or developer of single family residents when installing sprinklers.
In closing I will say this I pitty Mr. Diamonds narrow thinking. I hope his family never experience a fire in a home that had sprinklers that were turned off. I do also believe that this is a criminal act.
That is my opinion but I could be wrong.

]]> By: Bill http://inspector911.com/the-big-vote-rb-64/139/comment-page-1#comment-63 Bill Thu, 25 Sep 2008 02:07:32 +0000 http://inspector911.com/?p=139#comment-63 Today was prime example of the need for sprinklers. Newer home in our county. Fully involved upon arrival of fire department. Two deaths. Firefighter hurt when he fell through second floor into first floor. Two dead. Firefighter hurt. House total and I mean total loss. Huge contingent of fire equipment and personel on scene for several hours. Heres a thought: Sprinklers put fire out. Allow occupants to escape. Fire out so no collapse through floor by firefighter and no injury. Today was prime example of the need for sprinklers. Newer home in our county. Fully involved upon arrival of fire department. Two deaths. Firefighter hurt when he fell through second floor into first floor.

Two dead.
Firefighter hurt.
House total and I mean total loss.
Huge contingent of fire equipment and personel on scene for several hours.

Heres a thought:
Sprinklers put fire out. Allow occupants to escape. Fire out so no collapse through floor by firefighter and no injury.

]]> By: Rick http://inspector911.com/the-big-vote-rb-64/139/comment-page-1#comment-62 Rick Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:27:53 +0000 http://inspector911.com/?p=139#comment-62 As a fire protection inspector it was a great day to be in Minneapolis and be a part of history when I cast my vote to overturn the resolution, and put sprinklers in new homes. To often we read about firefighters being trapped by a collapse in a residential home because the fire had enough time to attack the light weight structural members. We all deserve to go home at the end of our shift, after saving a taxpayer and there home. We all need to be vigilant and to make sure all of our jurisdictions adopt this code As a fire protection inspector it was a great day to be in Minneapolis and be a part of history when I cast my vote to overturn the resolution, and put sprinklers in new homes. To often we read about firefighters being trapped by a collapse in a residential home because the fire had enough time to attack the light weight structural members. We all deserve to go home at the end of our shift, after saving a taxpayer and there home. We all need to be vigilant and to make sure all of our jurisdictions adopt this code

]]> By: Arsnman4 http://inspector911.com/the-big-vote-rb-64/139/comment-page-1#comment-61 Arsnman4 Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:00:55 +0000 http://inspector911.com/?p=139#comment-61 I agree with those who mention the additional work needed on a local and state level. We will have to deal with the Mini-Maxi issues and lesser regulations permitted during the other votes in Minneapolis. This was a long awaited victory for the reduction of annual fire loss that we will realize in the future. Excellent work to all that participated and continue to serve the public that we all…….. builders, architects, engineers, building officials, fire officials and yes even organizations are supposed to serve. I agree with those who mention the additional work needed on a local and state level. We will have to deal with the Mini-Maxi issues and lesser regulations permitted during the other votes in Minneapolis. This was a long awaited victory for the reduction of annual fire loss that we will realize in the future.

Excellent work to all that participated and continue to serve the public that we all…….. builders, architects, engineers, building officials, fire officials and yes even organizations are supposed to serve.

]]> By: John http://inspector911.com/the-big-vote-rb-64/139/comment-page-1#comment-60 John Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:50:34 +0000 http://inspector911.com/?p=139#comment-60 I like the fact that sprinklers will be mandatory verses opitional. There are home builders out there that will not offer them because they are more concerned about staying on schudule and turn over then life safety. When I built my house, I tried to get the builder to let me contract the installation of a sprinkler system because they did not offer it as an option. I was told "no, you can have it installed when the house is yours"... now it is going to cost me double the price. To me it is well worth the cost to protect my family! I would rather take the chance of flooding then losing my family in a fire. I would further hope that when systems are installed and are found disabled, that person is held responsible for the loss due to fire and if any injury occurs due to their actions...they are charged accordingly! I like the fact that sprinklers will be mandatory verses opitional. There are home builders out there that will not offer them because they are more concerned about staying on schudule and turn over then life safety. When I built my house, I tried to get the builder to let me contract the installation of a sprinkler system because they did not offer it as an option. I was told “no, you can have it installed when the house is yours”… now it is going to cost me double the price. To me it is well worth the cost to protect my family! I would rather take the chance of flooding then losing my family in a fire.

I would further hope that when systems are installed and are found disabled, that person is held responsible for the loss due to fire and if any injury occurs due to their actions…they are charged accordingly!

]]> By: Mike Bernardin http://inspector911.com/the-big-vote-rb-64/139/comment-page-1#comment-59 Mike Bernardin Tue, 23 Sep 2008 11:40:36 +0000 http://inspector911.com/?p=139#comment-59 The vote was just the beginning. We still have lots of work ahead of us at the local level. We should use this momentum and excitement to our advantage. As for the flood insurance....I would take my chances with a sprinkler head vs. a hose stream. It is apparent he has no clue as to how many GPM a fire hose produces. I will take the 7 GPM from the sprinkler head any dayof the week. Congrats and thank you to all of you who attended the ICC hearings. The vote was just the beginning. We still have lots of work ahead of us at the local level. We should use this momentum and excitement to our advantage.

As for the flood insurance….I would take my chances with a sprinkler head vs. a hose stream. It is apparent he has no clue as to how many GPM a fire hose produces. I will take the 7 GPM from the sprinkler head any dayof the week.

Congrats and thank you to all of you who attended the ICC hearings.

]]> By: Joe Jaramillo http://inspector911.com/the-big-vote-rb-64/139/comment-page-1#comment-58 Joe Jaramillo Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:02:37 +0000 http://inspector911.com/?p=139#comment-58 I can't tell you how many time I have heard what Tyler is saying. This is a life safety issue for our firefighters not just for the home owners. Tyler go ahead and turn off your sprinkler system. If you have home owners insurance and you have a fire you might not get the insurenac company to pay for the loss. I can’t tell you how many time I have heard what Tyler is saying. This is a life safety issue for our firefighters not just for the home owners.

Tyler go ahead and turn off your sprinkler system. If you have home owners insurance and you have a fire you might not get the insurenac company to pay for the loss.

]]> By: Mike Heimbecker http://inspector911.com/the-big-vote-rb-64/139/comment-page-1#comment-57 Mike Heimbecker Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:44:11 +0000 http://inspector911.com/?p=139#comment-57 Brilliant Tyler, you're quite a difference maker!- You turn off that life safety system in your house- that will teach those local code officials... Flood... are you serious? Brilliant Tyler, you’re quite a difference maker!-

You turn off that life safety system in your house- that will teach those local code officials…

Flood… are you serious?

]]> By: Tyler Damond http://inspector911.com/the-big-vote-rb-64/139/comment-page-1#comment-56 Tyler Damond Mon, 22 Sep 2008 00:35:59 +0000 http://inspector911.com/?p=139#comment-56 I don't agree with this. I think it should be the home owner who makes the decision to live with the risk or not. I mean, we live with risk every day when we step out of the house, into the car, go to work. I believe this is goin to far. Fire insurance might go down, but flood will go up. Go ahead and make me put one in my new house I build, I'll turn the thing off after inspection by local code officials!!! I don’t agree with this. I think it should be the home owner who makes the decision to live with the risk or not. I mean, we live with risk every day when we step out of the house, into the car, go to work. I believe this is goin to far. Fire insurance might go down, but flood will go up. Go ahead and make me put one in my new house I build, I’ll turn the thing off after inspection by local code officials!!!

]]> By: Jeff Hugo http://inspector911.com/the-big-vote-rb-64/139/comment-page-1#comment-55 Jeff Hugo Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:51:38 +0000 http://inspector911.com/?p=139#comment-55 Thank you to all Fire and Building Officials and their communities for sending them, that took a stand to finally start closing the last chapter on the thousands of fire deaths and injuries. Thank you to all Fire and Building Officials and their communities for sending them, that took a stand to finally start closing the last chapter on the thousands of fire deaths and injuries.

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