Comments on: Fire Alarm design is it engineering? http://inspector911.com/fire-alarm-design-is-it-engineering/39 Resources, Checklists, and Training for inspectors with NFPA and the ICC codes Mon, 02 Apr 2012 22:31:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Roger http://inspector911.com/fire-alarm-design-is-it-engineering/39/comment-page-1#comment-51 Roger Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:37:43 +0000 http://inspector911.com/blog/2008/08/03/fire-alarm-design-is-it-engineering/#comment-51 you don't have to be a "fire protection engineer" to do the design. The new opinion for the Oregon DOJ says Architect or Engineer is competent to do the work can do it. The argument for only fire protection engineers no longer has a place in this issue. Oregon law is pretty clear when it says all desgin work on an non-exempt building is required to be done by an architect and/or engineer, with the exceptions for a supervising electrician when the same company does the work. This is only for the electrical portions and not for the rest of the design and layout of the detection and notification devices.... you don’t have to be a “fire protection engineer” to do the design. The new opinion for the Oregon DOJ says Architect or Engineer is competent to do the work can do it. The argument for only fire protection engineers no longer has a place in this issue.
Oregon law is pretty clear when it says all desgin work on an non-exempt building is required to be done by an architect and/or engineer, with the exceptions for a supervising electrician when the same company does the work. This is only for the electrical portions and not for the rest of the design and layout of the detection and notification devices….

]]> By: wpadmin http://inspector911.com/fire-alarm-design-is-it-engineering/39/comment-page-1#comment-47 wpadmin Tue, 05 Aug 2008 10:35:54 +0000 http://inspector911.com/blog/2008/08/03/fire-alarm-design-is-it-engineering/#comment-47 We've been updated on this situation: Last Thursday the Oregon Electrical Board met to resolve this and wound up with a temporary solution. For the next 180 days they've rolled back the clock and will allow electricians (J, S, and LEA) to once again submit fire alarm shop drawings. During the 180 day period they will have a committee look more closely for a permanent solution and to define the term "non-complex". <a href="http://http://www.bcd.oregon.gov/boards/electelv/board_pack/08/20080724/VI.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.bcd.oregon.gov/boards/electelv/board_pack/08/20080724/VI.pdf</a> We’ve been updated on this situation:

Last Thursday the Oregon Electrical Board met to resolve this and wound up with a temporary solution. For the next 180 days they’ve rolled back the clock and will allow electricians (J, S, and LEA) to once again submit fire alarm shop drawings. During the 180 day period they will have a committee look more closely for a permanent solution and to define the term “non-complex”.

http://www.bcd.oregon.gov/boards/electelv/board_pack/08/20080724/VI.pdf

]]> By: Arsnman4 http://inspector911.com/fire-alarm-design-is-it-engineering/39/comment-page-1#comment-45 Arsnman4 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:51:42 +0000 http://inspector911.com/blog/2008/08/03/fire-alarm-design-is-it-engineering/#comment-45 I TOTALLY AGREE! I TOTALLY AGREE!

]]> By: Michael http://inspector911.com/fire-alarm-design-is-it-engineering/39/comment-page-1#comment-46 Michael Mon, 04 Aug 2008 12:17:51 +0000 http://inspector911.com/blog/2008/08/03/fire-alarm-design-is-it-engineering/#comment-46 The state has requirements depending on the building you are working in. For instance regulated facilities by the state require an act 144 lisc which just takes you to a test. Locally we have been pushing for NICET level III for design. I guess if you read the Michigan Building Code, these submittals typically come as a deferred submittal. This requires that the design professional in responsible charge look at the submittal to make sure it is correct and meets the design of the building. I think this is a great way to go, the design professional or FPE dictates the way it should go, then the sprinkler layout or alarm layout (who meets NICET III in the appropriate area) should layout the system based on their needs. I know that I get frustrated when the layout guy says, I know its wrong but that’s what the A/E wanted. So why does the AHJ become the bad guy then when the layout guy knew it was wrong. Politics I guess The state has requirements depending on the building you are working in. For instance regulated facilities by the state require an act 144 lisc which just takes you to a test. Locally we have been pushing for NICET level III for design. I guess if you read the Michigan Building Code, these submittals typically come as a deferred submittal. This requires that the design professional in responsible charge look at the submittal to make sure it is correct and meets the design of the building.

I think this is a great way to go, the design professional or FPE dictates the way it should go, then the sprinkler layout or alarm layout (who meets NICET III in the appropriate area) should layout the system based on their needs. I know that I get frustrated when the layout guy says, I know its wrong but that’s what the A/E wanted. So why does the AHJ become the bad guy then when the layout guy knew it was wrong. Politics I guess

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