Comments on: Deadly Fire In Perm Kills 109 http://inspector911.com/deadly-fire-in-perm-kills-109/468 Resources, Checklists, and Training for inspectors with NFPA and the ICC codes Mon, 06 Feb 2012 14:46:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Marc D. Phipps http://inspector911.com/deadly-fire-in-perm-kills-109/468/comment-page-1#comment-593 Marc D. Phipps Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:30:12 +0000 http://inspector911.com/?p=468#comment-593 I mostley agree with you on greed, but being a fire inspector for many years have learned that most people do not understand codes for interior finish and flame resistance. They just go to a store and by decorations and interior finish products that will look good for thier ideas but no nothing of using rated material that has been tested. Maybe they do not even have the codes that American fire inspectors are so careful to inforce so that tragedies like this do not happen on their watch. Unfortunately these items can be put up after your yearly inspection and would not be caught again until next years annual inspection unless someone informs you of the modifications. Public education in these areas just do not happen. We teach children fire safety but have no good way to inform business owners of the importance of rated interior finish codes for places of public assemblage. I mostley agree with you on greed, but being a fire inspector for many years have learned that most people do not understand codes for interior finish and flame resistance. They just go to a store and by decorations and interior finish products that will look good for thier ideas but no nothing of using rated material that has been tested. Maybe they do not even have the codes that American fire inspectors are so careful to inforce so that tragedies like this do not happen on their watch. Unfortunately these items can be put up after your yearly inspection and would not be caught again until next years annual inspection unless someone informs you of the modifications. Public education in these areas just do not happen. We teach children fire safety but have no good way to inform business owners of the importance of rated interior finish codes for places of public assemblage.

]]> By: Nick Markowitz Jr. http://inspector911.com/deadly-fire-in-perm-kills-109/468/comment-page-1#comment-592 Nick Markowitz Jr. Wed, 06 Jan 2010 12:59:54 +0000 http://inspector911.com/?p=468#comment-592 And the shame of it is it could just as well happen right here in the USA again. we get tough we enforce and then we get lax and we repeat the cycle. Just look to the devastating fires in early 1900's did we ever really learn anything I think not. All we can do in our community is lead by example and hope others will follow. Because there are many who do not care to follow codes or care about there fellow man. And the shame of it is it could just as well happen right here in the USA again.
we get tough we enforce and then we get lax and we repeat the cycle.
Just look to the devastating fires in early 1900′s did we ever really learn anything I think not.
All we can do in our community is lead by example and hope others will follow.
Because there are many who do not care to follow codes or care about there fellow man.

]]> By: Brian Wilk http://inspector911.com/deadly-fire-in-perm-kills-109/468/comment-page-1#comment-585 Brian Wilk Sun, 03 Jan 2010 06:17:54 +0000 http://inspector911.com/?p=468#comment-585 I was in the nightclub fire that occurred at the Station Nightclub in Rhode Island back in 2003. Watching this video I realize that STILL people have not learned and have no care for others. This tragedy is an unfortunate replica of what happened in Rhode Island. We do not need to repeat our mistakes to learn from them. It's beyond words to what I feel towards the people who owned this club. I was in the nightclub fire that occurred at the Station Nightclub in Rhode Island back in 2003. Watching this video I realize that STILL people have not learned and have no care for others. This tragedy is an unfortunate replica of what happened in Rhode Island. We do not need to repeat our mistakes to learn from them. It’s beyond words to what I feel towards the people who owned this club.

]]> By: Brian Wilk http://inspector911.com/deadly-fire-in-perm-kills-109/468/comment-page-1#comment-549 Brian Wilk Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:34:51 +0000 http://inspector911.com/?p=468#comment-549 Ditto to all above comments. Greed and money is the root of all evil. People are not expentable. What is the value of human life. As a former fire inspector and now a safety manager I see things from both ends, compliance and greed. Always do the best you can and make a differance. Enforce the code and educate and at the end of the day say to yourself well done. I respect and appreciate all you do. Quote " Asking me to overlook a fire violation would be asking me to comprimise my entire additude toward the value of your life" Ditto to all above comments. Greed and money is the root of all evil. People are not expentable. What is the value of human life. As a former fire inspector and now a safety manager I see things from both ends, compliance and greed. Always do the best you can and make a differance. Enforce the code and educate and at the end of the day say to yourself well done. I respect and appreciate all you do.
Quote ” Asking me to overlook a fire violation would be asking me to comprimise my entire additude toward the value of your life”

]]> By: Paul Dove http://inspector911.com/deadly-fire-in-perm-kills-109/468/comment-page-1#comment-546 Paul Dove Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:41:02 +0000 http://inspector911.com/?p=468#comment-546 5 Stars for Mike Toika! 5 Stars for Mike Toika!

]]> By: Wayne Morris http://inspector911.com/deadly-fire-in-perm-kills-109/468/comment-page-1#comment-545 Wayne Morris Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:11:16 +0000 http://inspector911.com/?p=468#comment-545 Ditto to Mile's comment, Amen brother.... Ditto to Mile’s comment, Amen brother….

]]> By: Mike Toika http://inspector911.com/deadly-fire-in-perm-kills-109/468/comment-page-1#comment-544 Mike Toika Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:44:22 +0000 http://inspector911.com/?p=468#comment-544 As with Station Night Club, this fire was due to the greed of the owners to make a buck. As Fire Inspectors, we need to cut through the red tape of Authority Having Jurisdiction and be granted the sole responsibility to make the decision to stop events like this from happening, even if it means shutting the business down. Without that ability we will continue to see the business owners make bad decisions and the people we are sworn to protect be the ones who are hurt, injured, or killed. Too many times, when severe violations are noted, and not corrected, a fire district inspector, or city inspector will have their hands tied by administrations whose politics outweigh what we all know is correct. As with Station Night Club, this fire was due to the greed of the owners to make a buck. As Fire Inspectors, we need to cut through the red tape of Authority Having Jurisdiction and be granted the sole responsibility to make the decision to stop events like this from happening, even if it means shutting the business down. Without that ability we will continue to see the business owners make bad decisions and the people we are sworn to protect be the ones who are hurt, injured, or killed. Too many times, when severe violations are noted, and not corrected, a fire district inspector, or city inspector will have their hands tied by administrations whose politics outweigh what we all know is correct.

]]> By: Brian Batten http://inspector911.com/deadly-fire-in-perm-kills-109/468/comment-page-1#comment-543 Brian Batten Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:33:17 +0000 http://inspector911.com/?p=468#comment-543 I like the fact that the President of Russia has come out and stated they need to address the weaknesses in their fire codes. Let's hope that he and his staff follows through. This fire is just another reminder of how unaware the public is regarding fire safety. You have to wonder how many of those people attend that club every weekend, maybe nightly? How many of them gave any attention to the hazardous conditions they may encounter? The owners are simply playing, can we say, "Russian Roulette", betting on nothing serious happening. Sad, our prayers will go out to the victims and their families. I like the fact that the President of Russia has come out and stated they need to address the weaknesses in their fire codes. Let’s hope that he and his staff follows through. This fire is just another reminder of how unaware the public is regarding fire safety. You have to wonder how many of those people attend that club every weekend, maybe nightly? How many of them gave any attention to the hazardous conditions they may encounter? The owners are simply playing, can we say, “Russian Roulette”, betting on nothing serious happening.

Sad, our prayers will go out to the victims and their families.

]]> By: Jeff Allen http://inspector911.com/deadly-fire-in-perm-kills-109/468/comment-page-1#comment-542 Jeff Allen Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:00:25 +0000 http://inspector911.com/?p=468#comment-542 All of the states will not and are not making enforcement and harsh penalties for fire code violations mandatory. I am against federal regulations but this is one area where we need the federal government to step up to the plate and mandate enforcement with criminal penalties for repeat violators. How many more deaths will it take before somebody realizes how important this issue is? All of the states will not and are not making enforcement and harsh penalties for fire code violations mandatory. I am against federal regulations but this is one area where we need the federal government to step up to the plate and mandate enforcement with criminal penalties for repeat violators. How many more deaths will it take before somebody realizes how important this issue is?

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